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Should Sherwood be sacked as Villa Manager?

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Re: Sherwood SACKED

Post by Sandie on Wed Nov 18, 2015 4:41 pm

Good piece here, making an argument I've made before here

When Tim Sherwood swaggered into Villa Park in February 2015, it’s fair to say he divided opinion amongst fans. Many were won over by his overtly positive approach and welcomed him as a breath of fresh air in stark and welcome contrast to the stale regimes presided over by Paul Lambert and Alex McLeish in recent times. Many, however, remained troubled by his lack of managerial experience and his ironic ‘Tactics Tim’ moniker.


By the end of his curtailed eight month Villa career opinion remained divided although, crucially, not amongst fans. Tim was now unanimously seen as being out of his depth and had puzzled and frustrated the Villa faithful with his bizarre starting line-ups and formations. A talented Villa squad was squandered by Sherwood’s ever increasing desire to distance himself from the summer signings targeted by Aston Villa’s transfer committee. Unfortunately for Sherwood those he ostracised – Amavi, Veretout, Traore, Gil, Ayew – happened to be the most talented members of the squad and the very reasons why Villa fans had approached the new season with real optimism.


Despite the supporter’s singular view of Sherwood’s capabilities, the mainstream media found a different stick, picked it up and decided to use it to beat Villa’s management team. Now, there is certainly a nuanced argument to be made regarding Aston Villa and how poorly the club is run – but the position pushed by the media became over simplified and depicted Sherwood as the wronged good guy and Villa’s management team as the bad guys.


Most of these voices within the media came from ex-football pros intent on looking after their kin. Sherwood is one of their own. Villa’s owner and CEO, Randy Lerner and Tom Fox are not. They are Americans. Businessmen. Not football men. They don’t understand the game.


Suddenly, Sherwood became the media’s poster boy for all young English managers not given a chance by foreign football owners. Suddenly, Sherwood’s awful record with Villa went ignored. Suddenly, Sherwood’s baffling tactics were swept beneath the wave of vitriol aimed at Lerner and Fox.


This media stance was only hardened when Villa appointed an inexperienced French coach, Remi Garde, as their new manager. Again, ex pros and managers came out in the media bemused as to why the untried Garde had been given the job at the expense of other talented British coaches. The questioning of Garde’s appointment followed a now familiar and vaguely xenophobic path. The tired old lines of “not knowing” the Premier League, of not being British, were trotted out as if it was some accepted wisdom that “knowing” the Premier League was a guarantee for success.


And it is this view on managerial appointments that is most puzzling and yet rarely challenged. If a new appointment is not British, from the Premier League or an ex-professional it is generally viewed with great scepticism. Yet there is a welter of evidence to suggest that these factors have no bearing on a person’s aptitude for football management.


To my mind, the pool of British football managers would be a richer place if it included more who had never had a professional playing career in football. The likes of Mark Warburton, Mourinho, Wenger and Klopp have proved that not playing at the highest level is no barrier to a successful career. Maradona, Pele and Tim Sherwood have proved the opposite.

So rather than Tim Sherwood being the poster boy for young English managers, I would like his time at Villa Park to be remembered for what it was. A failure and an example of why the media’s idea of a Premier League manager is ultimately flawed. Managers should only be judged on their individual talents and not their background or playing career. If that means more teams are managed by bankers, accountants and foreigners then so much the better.
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Re: Sherwood SACKED

Post by villabromsgrove on Wed Nov 18, 2015 5:19 pm

That just about sums up "our Tim", because the media for some reason turned him into an endearing character, rather than the egotistical chancer he is.
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Re: Sherwood SACKED

Post by Sandie on Wed Nov 18, 2015 7:31 pm

I think the mania around a coach like Sherwood demonstrates a lot that's wrong with football. It's all important to be one of the lads rather than someone who is a deep thinker. Something that's not helped by how a lot of people who opine on the game being ex-players who themselves probably never were clever enough or knowledgeable enough to actually make it in management.
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Post by villabromsgrove on Wed Nov 18, 2015 9:24 pm

You're right, it's an old players club .... jobs for the boys. It's no wonder that English football lags so far behind technically, when the back slapping bunch of pundits try to make sure that intelligent and talented "outsiders" are howled down in favour of their own circle of mates.
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Re: Sherwood SACKED

Post by Sandie on Sun Feb 14, 2016 9:33 pm

Dim Tim is one of the 'experts' on MOTD2 tonight. Will be interesting to see what he might say. Though after the result I'm probably going to watch something, anything, else.
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Post by villabromsgrove on Mon Feb 15, 2016 1:49 pm

Sandie wrote:Dim Tim is one of the 'experts' on MOTD2 tonight. Will be interesting to see what he might say. Though after the result I'm probably going to watch something, anything, else.

http://www.hitc.com/en-gb/2016/02/15/aston-villa-never-lacked-commitment-in-my-reign-insists-tim-sher/?

This is what he had to say. He seem's to be trying to keep in with the Villa fans these days. His recent comments have been fairly low key references to problems at the club, while praising the fans.
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Post by GadgetMan on Mon Feb 15, 2016 2:54 pm

Yeah ok Timothy. Does love to recreate history doesn't he?!

I don't recall there being a huge amount of commitment when we got thrashed 6-1 to Southampton, or the cup final or in any fame after the semi final to be fair, that's before you start on the first 10 games of this season. Between him and Lambert you'd think they'd won us the Champions League the way they go on about their time here. Both were useless and have played a part in where we're currently at.

Really dislike Sherwood. Full of hot air, but clever enough to keep sweet with the media.
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Re: Sherwood SACKED

Post by Sandie on Mon Feb 15, 2016 3:18 pm

How's he doing finding another club to take his comedy act to? I can't really blame Sherwood for being a blagging charlatan but appointing him is a big part of the reason we are where we are. And, like you say GM, that cup final. Probably the limpest, least committed cup final performance in living memory.
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Post by Sandie on Thu Nov 10, 2016 3:02 pm

I didn't see this coming: http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/37938448

Sherwood will "head up all aspects, including transfers, the way we play, the formations and the picking of the team", implying a strong level of day-to-day involvement.

"A director of football is normally someone who doesn't put their tracksuit on and doesn't interact with the team - that won't happen here," said Power.

"Luke (Williams) is thought of in the football world as a top, top coach - that will continue.

"Something needed to change and happen. This season, it hasn't been good enough."
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Re: Sherwood SACKED

Post by villabromsgrove on Fri Nov 11, 2016 3:15 pm

He's already talking about taking the training, so the current coach will be in for a shock!
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Re: Sherwood SACKED

Post by Sandie on Wed Nov 16, 2016 2:15 am

Good to see Sherwood's managerial abilities haven't blunted in his time out of the game: http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/37905132

And The Fonz scored, there's a blast from the past.
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Re: Sherwood SACKED

Post by villabromsgrove on Thu Nov 17, 2016 7:39 pm

Dim Tim's training has had the new manager bounce effect in reverse! Very Happy
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Re: Sherwood SACKED

Post by Sandie on Fri Feb 24, 2017 7:15 am

Keep weaving the magic Timothy: http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/39071507

Swindon have won three, drawn five and lost 11 of their 19 games in all competitions since Sherwood's arrival on 10 November, leaving them 22nd in League One, four points from safety.
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Post by villabromsgrove on Fri Feb 24, 2017 12:21 pm

Sandie wrote:Keep weaving the magic Timothy: http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/39071507

Swindon have won three, drawn five and lost 11 of their 19 games in all competitions since Sherwood's arrival on 10 November, leaving them 22nd in League One, four points from safety.
You can't keep a good man down can you!
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